Curse

Thizzle · Jul 08, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Oh, please. Guild Wars is the least of any parent's concern. Take a trip around your neighborhood and I'm sure they can find much worse than alcohol and sugary snacks.

VanDamselx · Jul 08, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I think it's ridiculous if anyone gets overworked about alcohol being in this game. If you do have a problem, then don't allow your child to play it.

Lawrence Chang · Jul 08, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

who the hell cares

should we be complaining about anet promoting killing?

Thizzle · Jul 08, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Chang

who the hell cares

I couldn't have said it better.

MithranArkanere · Jul 08, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

They should change Drunkard.
1.- Allow people to get 'drunker'. 30 levels instead the current 5.
2.- Give each 'grade' of drunkenness a different icon with the same icon border as conditions.
3.- Change the 2 current grades to the following 3:
* First grade: 'Tipsy'. 5 first levels. Effects: None. Icon: A hunter's ale.
* Second grade: 'Drunk'. Levels 6 to 20. Effects: Drunken title is increased by one point for each alcoholic beverage consumed under this grade, special effects of some skills are active. Icon: A flask of firewater.
* Third grade: 'Intoxicated'. Levels 21 to 30. Effects: -1 health regeneration for 30 seconds for each alcoholic drink consumed under this grade, it has also the same effects as blind, crippled and dazed at the same time, but can't be removed. Levels 18 to 20. Icon: A human liver.
4.- End the effect after death.

That way, people will have to drink the precise amount of drinks to stay under level 20 and out of grade 3 to prevent the bad effects of drunkenness.
And it would be more logical, since no one gets drunk from just 3 beers. But 5 may affect some people that can't stand alcohol very well.

Drink too much, and you can't cast, you move sluggishly and you can't barely hit anything with a weapon and can even die. Drink the precise amount, and you keep increasing the title and playing normally and even be more powerful.

Just like with the Films Drunker Master and Drunker Master 2.

Snow Bunny · Jul 08, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I think every kid needs to get plastered at least once and wake completely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, then THEYLL NEVER DRINK EVER AGAIN.

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo not true.

You just wake up, have a coke, then do it again the following night.

FireFox · Jul 08, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Don't be a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bad parent and maybe something as stupid as guild wars won't be able to turn your kid into an alcoholic.

Jetdoc · Jul 08, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

In a game that promotes disembowelment (i.e. Eviscerate), suicide (i.e. Necromancer sacrifices, especially Blood Ritual) and homosexuality (i.e. Male mesmers), I think alcoholism is probably the least of A-Net's worries.

lord of all tyria · Jul 08, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I believe that people who actually care about alcohol in GW should consider removing themselves from society.

Fried Tech · Jul 08, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

In a game that promotes ... and homosexuality (i.e. Male mesmers), I think alcoholism is probably the least of A-Net's worries.

ROFL. you just outed every male mesmer in the game

on topic : parents should research the games their kids are playing. blaming others for what their children see in games is bad parenting IMO

Kusandaa · Jul 08, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

In a game that promotes disembowelment (i.e. Eviscerate), suicide (i.e. Necromancer sacrifices, especially Blood Ritual) and homosexuality (i.e. Male mesmers), I think alcoholism is probably the least of A-Net's worries.

LMFAO.

Forgot nuking (ele), bond...age (monks - ok it's bonding, I know, but still >_>), mass killing of one specie (raptor farming), drugs (cons)...

Let's turn the whole game into carebears getting rid the world of evil with little hearts and stars while we're at it? /shudder

EDIT: Just because I'm stuck at the office for half an hour, I can add some more:
- Pyromania (fire eles)
- Cursing is good (necros)
- Idealization and hypersexualization (pretty much any female characte and some male chars, depending)
- Murder (Hell's Precipice)
- Raising the dead (MM necros)
- General killing (EVERYTHING)

Axel Zinfandel · Jul 08, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Oh god, you have got to be kidding me. GW is an international game. Just because us Americans don't know what the hell they are doing with Alcohol, that's why we don't have crap like Absinthe.

Which by the was is illegal in the U.S, and in GW, so why don't you gripe about that too? :P While we're at it, Killing people is illegal as well.

Seriously though, use some common sense and try to be one of the few people in this country that has some.

EDIT: It promotes sex too

[divine spirit][Vampirism][Pain]

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

That is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo not true.

You just wake up, have a Mountain Dew Gamer Fuel (tm), then do it again the following night.

heh.
Where I come from..'kids' at age 14+ are already half cooked.
Either lead them by your 'adult' example, or leave them be to experiment, and hopefully learn the lessons of life before hurting thenselves, or an innocent.
Life, can be full of hard choices.
let the 'kids' make them, as we once did.

Miska Bow · Jul 08, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

My complaint about alcohol

While you're probably sick of hearing about alcohol, it is crucial that you read this letter. Instead of focusing on why alcohol's central role in the promotion of overweening diabolism dates back a number of years, I would like to remind people that it's easy to tell if alcohol's lying. If its lips are moving, it's lying. It must be stated quite categorically that alcohol's the scourge of all that is good and true. We can therefore extrapolate that alcohol doesn't want us to carry out the famous French admonition, écrasez l'infâme!, against its wheelings and dealings. It would rather we settle for the meatless bone of Fabianism.

Any rational argument must acknowledge this. Alcohol's delusional machinations, naturally, do not. I know very few disloyal tax cheats personally but I know them well enough to surmise that alcohol is not interested in what is true and what is false or in what is good and what is evil. In fact, those distinctions have no meaning to it whatsoever. The only thing that has any meaning to alcohol is lexiphanicism. Why? I'm sure you already know the answer so I won't bother repeating it. I'd like to emphasize, however, that the acid test for alcohol's "kinder, gentler" new perversions should be, "Do they still submerge us in a sea of masochism?" If the answer is yes then we can conclude that I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to stop alcohol's encroachments on our heritage because doing so clearly demonstrates how if you've read any of the politically incorrect slop that it has concocted, you'll indeed recall its description of its plan to distort the facts. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that I am aware that many people may object to the severity of my language. But is there no cause for severity? Naturally, I assert that there is because Nature is a wonderful teacher. For instance, the lesson that Nature teaches us from newly acephalous poultry is that you really don't need a brain to run around like a dang fool making a spectacle of yourself. Nature also teaches us that alcohol would have us believe that its long-term goals are a breath of fresh air amid our modern culture's toxic cloud of chaos. Yeah, right. And I also suppose that the kids on the playground are happy to surrender to the school bully? The fact of the matter is that there's a time to keep silent and a time to speak. There's a time to love and a time to hate. There's a time for war and a time for peace. And, I maintain, there's a time to straighten out alcohol's thinking. Or, to put it less poetically, I recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to condemn alcohol's criminal ineptitude. The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why alcohol proclaims at every opportunity that it'd never lionize pesky, ungrateful freeloaders. The organization doth protest too much, methinks.

This probably does not affect your daily life, but it is a fact. Alcohol is a bad role model for children. That said, let me continue. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: Alcohol has remarked that there is something intellectually provocative in the tired rehashing of dastardly stereotypes. This is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand I'll spell it out for you. For starters, we must hold alcohol responsible for the hatred it so furtively expresses. To do anything else, and I do mean anything else, is a complete waste of time.

I am worried about a new physiognomy of servitude, a compliant citizenry relieved of its burdens by a "compassionate" alcohol. It's hard to spot the compassion when you notice that it's debatable whether alcohol confuses demagoguery with leadership and undocumented conspiracism with serious research. However, no one can disagree that it is a grave injustice for it to scrawl pro-demagogism graffiti over everything. Alcohol will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact because if it didn't, you might come to realize that it must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why alcohol is so desperate to sharpen intergroup tensions; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if alcohol also realized that we have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we create greater public understanding of the damage caused by its asseverations, or is it sufficient to think outside the box? Here's the answer, albeit in a somewhat circuitous and roundabout style: This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about its deplorable behavior but about the way that I do not have the time, in one sitting, to go into the long answer as to why I myself commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration its plan to increase alienation and delinquency among our young people. But the short answer is that if Fate desired that it make a correct application of what it had read about Chekism it would have to indicate title and page number since the neo-indecent sideshow barker would otherwise never in all its existence find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, it is pointless to fret about the damage already caused by its imperious metanarratives. The past cannot be changed. We must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and look at our situation realistically and from a viewpoint that takes in the whole picture.

It's a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of self-satisfied trolls like alcohol can still be heard, worse still that they're listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them. While there's no use crying over spilled milk, if history follows its course, it should be evident that alcohol demands that we make a choice. Either we let it assuage the hungers of its cronies with servings of fresh scapegoats or it'll dismantle the family unit. This "choice" exemplifies what is commonly known as a "false dichotomy" or "the fallacy of the excluded middle" because it denies other alternatives, such as that alcohol owns drawers and boxes full of legal documents, which it is convinced prove its position. I put that observation into this letter just to let you see that each rung on the ladder of exhibitionism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for alcohol to defuse or undermine incisive critiques of its biggety behavior by turning them into procedural arguments about mechanisms of institutional restraint. That is the standard process by which malicious, appalling recidivists put our liberties at risk by an unbridled and militant rush to force some to live by restrictive standards not applicable to others.

I'm unmistakably afraid of repulsive windbags. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because its desire to sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such tell-tale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that...") is the chief sign that it's a mean-spirited, careless scumbag. (The second sign is that alcohol feels obliged to convince others that argumentative, intemperate fiends are the "chosen people" of scriptural prophecy.) To most people, the list of alcohol's pigheaded revenge fantasies reads like a comic strip but its memoranda are actually taken seriously by its adherents. However, if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less cocky than alcohol.

Alcohol finds enemies everywhere. How does alcohol deal with this fascinating piece of information? It absolutely ignores it. If alcohol succeeds in its attempt to threaten our core values, allegiances, and beliefs, it'll have to be over my dead body. Not that I ever believed alcohol's lies, but at least before they had some kind of internal consistency -- a logic, albeit twisted, that invited refutation. But now, it seems it is desperately flailing about for any pretext, no matter how ludicrous or slight, to lower our standard of living.

If alcohol can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to take advantage of a rare opportunity to point out that the emperor has no clothes on. It's astounding that alcohol has found a way to work the words "roentgenographically" and "deintellectualization" into its imprecations. However, you may find it even more astounding that it keeps stating over and over again that its sophistries are not worth getting outraged about. This drumbeat refrain is clearly not consistent with the facts on the ground -- facts such as that someone has been giving alcohol's brain a very thorough washing and now alcohol is trying to do the same to us. I decidedly dislike alcohol. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that alcohol likes to endorse a complete system of leadership by mobocracy. Such activity can flourish only in the dark, however. If you drag it into the open, alcohol and its loyalists will run for cover, like cockroaches in a dirty kitchen when the light is turned on suddenly during the night. That's why we must draw an accurate portrait of alcohol's ideological alignment.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into alcohol's cajoleries, but they don't seem to serve any purpose other than to intensify or perpetuate simplism. Alcohol is a stentorian deadhead. I use that label only when it's true. If you don't believe it is, then consider that I'm not a brusque person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to alcohol's apologists and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by alcohol. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather enact new laws forcing anyone who's not one of alcohol's secret agents to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant because that's what alcohol wants. No amount of opinion or innuendo nor any string of unrelated apologues can change the fact that we must act honorably if we are ever to enable all people to achieve their potential as human beings. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must undoubtedly pursue because alcohol and its pals are slovenly, ribald ne'er-do-wells. This is not set down in complaint against them, but merely as analysis.

There are two related questions in this matter. The first is to what extent alcohol has tried to make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. The other is whether or not I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing alcohol of planning to take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, if you've never seen it squander irreplaceable treasures, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself. So, sorry for being so long-winded in this letter, but according to the dictionary, "alcohol-ism" is "any of a set of histrionics that biologically or psychologically engineer dysfunctional self-proclaimed arbiters of taste and standards to make them even more disgraceful than they already are".

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Erm...sorry Miska, but THAT babble is EXACTLY why many 'minors' will look you in the eye, and tell you to blow it out your ass.
Over 85% of the US 15 and under population have either tried alcohol, or continue to consume.
Big words, and flowery phrases will never stop a young persons mind once set on something.

Kusandaa · Jul 08, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Erm.... wall of texts FTL?

Guild Wars is a game. A GAME. People who keep blaming games for their kids' behavior can look at themselves at first; a game will NOT raise a child for you, neither will the TV, the music, movies, etc. Being drunk in the game does not make me drunk IRL and doesn't even wanna get me drink anyways. Playing a violent game doesn't make me more violent, just as much as playing a fire ele doesn't make me wanna go burn down whoever I think is evil. Dear god. Any person with a good mental health will understand that...

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

It's a joke, guys. See the link below.

ROFLMAO. Ok I didn't check that link and now that I do... well... can't help but laugh. I assumed too fast it was just a copy or a longer version.

Gonna use that for the heck of it now

Jetdoc · Jul 08, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

That's awesome Miska - I had never seen that website. I'm going to insert "Ursan" and "Shadow Form" into the system and see what it comes out with.

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Originally Posted by Trub

Erm...sorry Miska, but THAT babble is EXACTLY why many 'minors' will look you in the eye, and tell you to blow it out your ass.
Over 85% of the US 15 and under population have either tried alcohol, or continue to consume.
Big words, and flowery phrases will never stop a young persons mind once set on something.

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Erm.... wall of texts FTL?

It's a joke, guys. See the link below.

Here's what I got....

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Recent troubling developments prompt me to revisit a subject I've discussed in the past: Ursan and Perma Shadow Form and its plan to destabilize the already volatile social fabric that it purportedly aims to save. Before I launch into my rant, permit me the prelude caveat that if you think that longiloquent segregationists are easily housebroken, then think again. Almost without exception, we mustn't be content to patch and darn, to piece and cobble at the worn and rotten fabric of Ursan and Perma Shadow Form's blathering doctrines. Instead we must win the culture war and save this country. Ursan and Perma Shadow Form is eating our lunch. Its coadjutors probably don't realize that because it's not mentioned in the funny papers or in the movies. Nevertheless, the real question here is not, "Will peeling back the onion of Ursan and Perma Shadow Form's impractical expositions cause Ursan and Perma Shadow Form to shed tears or will it merely enhance its desire to teach the next generation how to hate -- and whom to hate?". The real question is rather, "Has it ever considered what would happen if a small fraction of its time spent trying to perpetuate the nonsense known technically as the analytic/synthetic dichotomy was instead spent on something productive?" The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems but it boils down essentially to this: Neither Ursan and Perma Shadow Form nor its followers have dealt squarely or clearly with the fact that Ursan and Perma Shadow Form's practices are merely a fig leaf that hides its efforts to progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. Furthermore, my hatchet jobs are clearly in defense of decency and human dignity and violate nobody's rights. That's clear. But I want to thank it for its vaporings. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how fastidious Ursan and Perma Shadow Form can be. Now that this letter has come to an end, I hope you walk away from it realizing that Ursan and Perma Shadow Form has an agenda -- a political, social, and cultural agenda.

Man, now I sound like Avarre. JUST KIDDING!#!@!@!

Trub · Jul 08, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

It's a joke, guys. See the link below.

I haven't had my morning screwdriver yet!

Miska Bow · Jul 08, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

On topic.

Cant keep teens in a bubble for ever.

Alcohol abuse is not the problem, its a symptom of something deeper.

Ctb · Jul 08, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

Great. Now what will old people do? You took away the fun of writing crotchety and illogical letters to the editor, now how will they fill their day until the O'Reilly Factor comes on?!